#70 | Sustainable Style: How to Incorporate Sustainability in your Interior Design Projects

Welcome to the Designers Oasis podcast. I'm your host, Kate Bendewald. If you're tired of one-size-fits-all all advice to running your interior design business, you're in the right place. Join me each week as we dive into topics to help you run a thriving interior design business. Without the hustle. We'll talk about the business of design, but also mindset and mental health because I know when you thrive, so will your life and business. It wasn't that long ago that I stepped away from my corporate interior design job to build my own design business so that I could realize my own creative dreams, have more time with the people I love, and serve my clients at the highest level, while making more money than I ever could have working for someone else. It wasn't always easy, and I made my share of mistakes along the way. Fast forward to today. And I've learned a thing or two. Since then I've built multiple six-figure interior design businesses on authentic word-of-mouth referrals with many repeat clients. And I want to share it all with you the ambitious, inspired, and I get it occasionally overwhelmed interior designer who shares this dream of transforming lives through the art of interior design, You can do this. Thank you for letting me spend part of this day with you. Let's get to it.

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Now, if you're catching this episode after the survey closes, don't worry, you can still get access to the survey results at the same webpage designers oasis.com forward slash survey. Now before I go, I want to mention that we take your privacy very seriously. All survey results are anonymous and none of your personal information will be shared. You can find more information and FAQs on the webpage. Again, that's designers oasis.com forward slash survey. Your participation is so helpful and contributing to the betterment of the interior design, business industry and design business owners everywhere. Thank you so much for your participation. Now back to the show. Hello, my friends and welcome back to the podcast. I'm thrilled to be sitting and hanging out with you all today. If you listen to last week's episode, you'll I sort of give a sneak peek of what's to come and 2024. And one of the things I mentioned was that I wanted to focus some of the conversations that we're having here on the podcast around sustainability and interior design, we have a huge, huge, huge opportunity in his world to to have an impact on the environment in the way that we source and the way that we design. And so today, we're just going to scratch the surface of this conversation. And hopefully, you'll walk away feeling inspired, motivated, educated, curious, in all of those wonderful things. This is definitely not, although I am going to share some statistics that might make your hair raise. This is not a doomsday place we're not. It's important for us to be clear, right and understand what's really happening. But my goal is never to have anyone walk away feeling like they need to just throw their hands up in the air, we're all going to hell in a handbasket because we're not. Well, at least not yet. So we're gonna get into it. But before we do just a couple of quick announcements, don't forget that we do have the interior design fees survey, which you can learn more about designers oasis.com forward slash survey, we are launching a huge nationwide survey, asking interior designers about their business and the way that they charge. Everything is anonymized. And we are going to present these survey findings to you in a detailed report. That's the goal. And you can learn more about the purpose and how it works. And if you participate in the survey, you will get a copy of the report for free, the report will be for sale. The survey is open only for the month of February. So make sure you head over and you contribute to the survey, we really want to hear from you. And we want to be able to put together this really robust report for all interior designers. If you again, complete the survey, then you'll get a copy of that for free. Alright, so look for the link to that in the show notes. Don't forget that our dear Kate segment is live. So if you've got design, or business related questions that you want me to answer on the podcast, I'd love to hear from you. So send me an email at designers voices.com forward slash forward slash tear Kate, again, all the links will be in the show notes for you to find, but I'd love to hear your questions. Okay, I think that's all of the announcements. Let's get to it. So I first want to share with you a little bit about my own personal history with sustainability and design, because I'll be honest, I kind of lost my way. In 2008 2009, I was near graduation from college, getting my degree in interior design. And at the time, I was all about sustainability. I was especially moved and motivated by a course that I took called housing in the environment where we covered a lot of these subjects. And we learned a lot about materials that were environmentally sustainable sustainably. It just depended on what it was. But they were all green eco materials. And I was all about it. I took my I became a LEED Green associate, I took that that exam, I got a job, I was working at the US Green Building Council, the Colorado chapter. And my first job out of college really was this I was a Lead Project Manager. So if you're not familiar with lead led, its Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design, holy smokes, I'm out of practice, I would have to fact check that but it's something like that. And it's the LEED certification is something that is used for the built environment to indicate its level of sustainability. And there's all these different metrics. But anyway, my first job was at an architecture prior to moving into the design, interior design department. I started out as a project manager for all of our projects that were sort of searching for or we're seeking LEED certification. So it was a lot of paperwork, but I learned a ton. And I was immersed in that world of sustainability in the built environment. And I was quite savvy, and it was very important to me. But I'll be honest, along the way, I lost I lost my way. When I left commercial design and I went into the residential field. It really wasn't an important thing to my clients, and therefore it didn't. It wasn't important to me. And I certainly wasn't working with the biggest budgets when I first started out and so, you know, sourcing inexpensive and I'll be honest, cheap furnishings at the time, really wasn't the path of the Way Too smart and sustainable choices. So I look back over my career. And I think to myself, Man, there were a lot of missed opportunities. There were some things that I did really well, right. But, and I'm proud of those. But I think back I'm like, Man, I really wish I had, I had done more. And so my goal is to just start today where I am, and to really put this back into focus not only for myself, but for for you guys here in this community. So, you know, I feel like in 2023, there was this slow awakening happening with me around this subject, there was no single event. But there were these reminders and nudges all over that we have a responsibility as interior designers and a role to do better in this world. The world of interior designers needs leaders like you, and me, who will be vocal with clients and with the brands that we work with them at the event vendors that we source from, and letting them know that this is important, and that we have a responsibility. So with that in mind, I want to, I want to share with you some figures and some research, and we've got links to all of this and the sources. If you want to come learn more, you can find those in the show notes. But I want to share just the impact, especially around fast furnishings, and its impact on the environment.

You are most likely familiar with the term fast fashion, which is the term used to describe mass produced the industrial the industrial production of fashion, which as anybody's watched Project Runway, which our family still does religiously, you know that one day you're in in one day you're out. And that same concept of fast fashion, has now translated into fast furniture, which is mass produced quickly and cheaply made furnishings that have a very short shelf life, and ended up in the in the landfill very quickly. So there's a lot of ways that we can look at our role as interior designers and our impact that we have on the environment. But fast furnishings is one of one of the really big one, big ones, it is having a catastrophic impact on the environment. And as we all know, the alarm bells are ringing. So let's start with waste. I'm hoping that this survey gets updated, because it looks like the EPA was doing this about every five years. But these figures are from 2018. So we're coming up on nearly the five year mark. And I'd be very curious to know where this is today. But in 2018, in the US alone, we put 9.6 8 million tonnes of furnishings in the landfill. Now that was just for 2008 Excuse me, 18. And that was just for the US. That doesn't take into consideration all of the years before that, after that, or anywhere else outside of the US. 9.6 8 million tons of furnishings went to the landfill. 2.5 million tons of rugs and carpeting went to the landfill, and 2 million tons of appliances went into the landfill. Look, I get it, I understand that there are some things that just are at the end of their life, and there's not much else you can do with it. But I want us to consider these figures and ask ourselves

what can we be doing better? Let's talk about greenhouse gases for a minute. A recent report published suggested that the average piece of furniture generates up to 47 kilograms of carbon dioxide, or the equivalent of about of the equivalent of burning 5.3 gallons of gasoline. So the average piece of furniture uses as much carbon dioxide generates as much carbon dioxide as burning 5.3 gallons of gasoline. industrial scale deforestation is another huge impact that the furniture industry is contributing towards. I learned this recently, but most so why didn't learn this. I knew this most fast furniture is made in China, right? We we kind of knew that. But here's what I learned recently was that China cut down all of their forests by 1990. So today, it imports all of its wood from Russia, Africa and the US in order to make the furniture that they then send back to those countries, but mostly the US, right so we're harvesting wood at an industrial scale without replanting innocence. stainable way, we're cutting down all of these forest, Sydney, all that wood to China to make the furniture that we're then sending back to the US not to mention on these massive shipping barges that need a ton of fuel to get there and back right. Deforestation affects us all people and animals lose their habitats. The soil erodes, it causes mudslides, the air gets drier and the earth gets hotter. This is a fact. Let's talk about child labor and unfair labor practices. This is especially prevalent in the rug and the textile manufacturing industries. Child labor affects 160 million children worldwide. And these children have the highest illiteracy rates in the world. Who Okay, let's take a beat because those are some staggering figures. Right? This is this is stuff that I wish wasn't true, but it is. So what can we do? I'm going to share with you just a few strategies that you can employ in your interior design business to source sustainably. But before I get into it, I want to let you know that I do have a free PDF that you can download. It's a sustainability guide for interior designers. It's a free downloadable and printable guide to help you source more sustainably and inside, it's going to include key principles of sustainable interiors, terms to know eco labels and certifications to look for. Plus, I'm including 10 of my favorite brands that are dedicated to sustainability. These are brands in furniture, tile, fabrics, all of it. So to get your guide, just look for the link in the show notes. Okay, so let's go back and talk about what are these key principles of sustainable interior design? What can we be doing? I just want to say this, this is not an all encompassing list that this would take, like, it's been my entire life talking about this. So really what I mentioned at the beginning is true, we are just scratching the surface today. But I'm hoping that you get a whole lot of value out of some of these principles. And I also want you to keep in mind that it's not like you have to reinvent everything that you already do in the way that you already do it. Even if you're just making small moves in the right direction, right? If we all just pivoted just a little bit to start to make smarter, wiser, thoughtful, conscientious choices in this area, we can have a huge improvement. Now I'm personally hoping that this is motivating to make some really big changes in the way that we sourced and the way that we design. But the important thing is that you do your best, right? We can't always do everything that we want every single time. I get that I live in the real world. I have clients, I know what's realistic, but when you start to pay attention to these kinds of things, and it becomes a lot easier to ask the right questions and look for the right thing. So without further ado, here we go. So the first way is specifying environmentally friendly materials. It's going to be an important part of your job to research and select to suitable materials, and products. And in my guide, I'm going to give you a list of a few of my favorites. But there are so many more. Thinking about textiles. Textiles uses a ton of energy, water and heavy metals to produce, not to mention the agricultural effects of fertilizer and pesticides used on industrial crops. So things like looking for organic cotton, linen and wool material are better options. Materials like cork cork is an infinitely renewable resource that comes from the bark of cork trees that are primarily grown in Portugal. It's really neat if you've got do a quick Google search to see how they harvest this. It's It's beautiful, but they cut off the outer ring, which is the cork layer and then it grows a new layer after that in a very short amount of time. So the cork materials can be used to make all kinds of things. Obviously, one of the first things that comes to mind is cork for wine bottles, right? But cork is used to make things like wall coverings, which by the way has very good acoustic properties. It's great for offices and bedrooms, but also upholstery material and flooring. Our first home we had a small kitchen and we did cork flooring that was stained black and white. And we did black and white stripes. It was very striking. I really loved it but knowing that that was a cork material made me feel really good. But my point is cork doesn't always have to look like what may pop into mind immediately. There's this cork fabric that has some gold striations through it that I think is really beautiful and it can be used on furnishings and that sort of thing. So there are so many resources and resources available out there for you. Those are just a couple of examples. The next way is reducing the use To have raw materials, one of the most obvious ways that you can do this is to source vintage and antique items. Now, that personally gets me very, very excited, because that's the world that I love so much. But sourcing vintage and antique reduces the need for new newly manufactured products, buying gently used or secondhand items. I have a fun to me habit of scrolling on Facebook marketplace, and you would not believe the cool shit that I find there all the time. And so often I'm like, Oh my God, where could I use this? Can I just go buy this, I don't have a place for it or a client who needs it, but I want it so bad. So it's really the thrill of the hunt. You have to and for me, that's fun. I've got a couple of friends. That's fun for two and maybe it's fun for you. Yes, you have to weed through some stuff that you can really use your key search terms to use Facebook marketplace to hone in on really beautiful antique vintage pieces and gently used pieces. We bought a pair of chairs from Facebook marketplace that we're getting ready to reopen Ulster and they were just the perfect size and silhouette. We love them so much. But they're the the current upholstery is really in desperate need of being replaced. So we're looking forward to doing that. Look at your local consignment stores. Look, there's a Facebook group called the interior design resale group. That is another really great resource for you. Again, I'll link to this in the in the show notes. Another option is look at at architectural salvage yards. I love going to an architectural salvage yard you can find beautiful hardware, doors, windows, fireplace mantles, all kinds of fun stuff. And those things can look really beautiful in both modern homes as well as in more traditional homes as well. Those are a couple of ways. But I want to answer the burning question that I know is probably going through your mind, which is how am I supposed to make money on products that I'm sourcing from Facebook marketplace? Well, my answer to you is Yes friend, you should be doing a markup on any one of a kind items that you source. That is something that is in my contract. And that I think you should include in your contract and include in your business practice that vintage antique one of a kind items that you source will have whatever markup now I don't I'm not going to get into all of this. But I don't necessarily share markup amounts with my clients. It doesn't work that way. But you can choose how to phrase it, how you want to phrase it for your business. But I don't think there's anything wrong with putting a markup on one of a kind items that you source. So let's just get that objection out of the way.

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All right. Number three is to source a quality. It is our responsibility as interior designers to educate clients on how furniture is made. What is going to last longer and stand the test of time. Okay, so thinking about furnishings and how it's made here, a couple of things that I want you to be thinking about looking for asking your reps and vendors about first is the suspension system. So that's what's under the cushions, right? It's what's below the fabric below the bat material. And below the foam is the suspension system. And there's two, there's there are several ways that this is that the suspension systems can be made. But two of the most common are the eight way hand tied, which is really the gold standard of fine furnishings versus tenuous springs. sinua. Springs is one of the most common way that you'll find those made, but there are others. But an eight way hand tied suspension system has long been considered the gold standard, because it is going to last the longest. And it is what it sounds like you can you can do a Google search and learn more about how that works. But it really does help it the integrity of that cushion lasts for a very, very, very long time. I know the furniture that was in my grandmother's house, she sourced quality furnishings. I know that because I know her. But I also know that the furniture that she had in her home continues to live on in the homes of my family, myself included. Back then that's all there was. And I mean, there's horsehair too, but that's not what I'm talking about. The way hand tied was the only way that furniture was made back then, to my knowledge. But as they started to produce more furnishings, more mass mass produced furnishings, then they had to come up with more cost effective ways to put it together. And so that's where they started to develop these other methods, such as sinua. Springs, but anyway, hand dyed is still used in furnishings today. So find out what's in the upholstery that you are sourcing. Thinking about framing these in hardwood, hardwood versus soft wood, is it sourced from sustainably managed forests? Think about the joint construction? Is it single or double dowels? Do they have blocking? Are they using mortise and tenon construction? And then obviously, we can't talk about furnishings without talking about upholstery fabric, and things like what is the light fatten fastness? Is it going to fade in the sun? How does it clean? Does it repel liquids? So these are the kinds of things that you want to evaluate furnishings for when you're making your selections. So yes, quality does cost more. But when you help your clients buy the best that they can you educate them on the differences on how long these these items should last and remind them that you are there, you're their partner to help them make smart choices so that they can feel good about that. And that those extra caught. And then those extra costs really start to make sense. And it's no longer an objection because we realized that the cost is not just in the dollar figure. But there's a lot more buried in that cost. When it comes to how things are made. And who was involved in the making of these pieces of furniture. I just want to take a quick moment and give a shout out to one of my personal favorite brands. This is not a promotional moment. They're not affiliates. They're not sponsoring this episode, but it's a company that I have sourced from from a really for a really long time, because I love their dedication to sustainability. And that's Lee industries. Lee industries is a true leader in the world of style forward sustainably designed furnishings, to the trade. So check out their website to learn more. That's one of my favorite go twos for well design handcrafted upholstery, moving on improving indoor air quality. So even after an installation projects, furnishings and finishes can emit toxic, toxic gases into the air for months, even years through a process called off gassing. This is not something that you can avoid entirely if I'm being honest, but you can minimize and reduce off gassing in a number of ways. First of all, looking closely at the kinds of paints and adhesives and materials that you're specifying and looking for paints that have no VOCs. So VOCs stands for volatile organic compounds. And that is the stinky stuff that you smell when you walk into a freshly painted room. But there are so many paint companies that offer no VOC paint options that are still durable and will last you do not have to sacrifice that to get a no VOC paint options. Opting for natural rugs and carpeting such as wool or jute is another way that you can improve indoor air Quality, avoiding vinyl products whenever you can. So in the PDF guide that I'm going to share with you, I'm going to give you a list of labels to look for a list of certifications to look for, but two of them are GREENGUARD and floorscore. That have to do with indoor air quality. So especially when you're looking at things like flooring materials, you can look for those certifications to know that they have been independent, independently verified as not having a negative effect on indoor air quality. So again, get the guide and you'll have more information for all of those. Next we have water reduction or reduce water use. There's a term called Hidden water, which is essentially saying that it may not be visible but millions of gallons of water go into manufacturing, the manufacturing of consumer goods of just about everything we touch including paper, plastic, metal textiles, and beyond. Fun fact a typical cotton bedsheet has a water footprint of 2576 gallons of water. One typical bedsheet uses 2500 gallons of water, that is banana cakes. All right. So anytime we can reduce the demand for consumer goods, such as re upholstering, a wall piece of furniture, that's always a better choice. Obviously, sheets wear out. And sometimes you need a fresh pair of sheets. I personally love getting a fresh pair of new sheets, and I love sourcing really good sheets. But here's the thing. Think about when you're sourcing bedding, for example, not only looking for organic cotton, organic materials, but also thinking about how long is this pair of sheets going to last right? You look at the price tag of a $500 pair of sheets and you think to yourself, I don't know who the stock is buying that. But it's not me, I want you to think to yourself, Well wait a second. But if I have this pair of sheets that cost what seems like an arm and a leg, but it's going to last, I don't know a lifetime, I would maybe reconsider spending that kind of money on a pair of sheets. So think about water, hidden water, think about the water footprint of the materials that we're using. And just consider that when you're making your specifications. Again, reducing water use back to opting for vintage antiques that's making a huge impact. Plumbing Fixtures is another very obvious way that we can specify items that are reducing water use. So selecting water efficient appliances, such as dishwashers, washing machines, and toilets. Look for plumbing fixtures that have the WaterSense label to the WaterSense label, again, that's going to be in the guide that I share with you. You know, I want to I want to acknowledge that if you're What if you're looking at a faucet for a bathroom sink, right, you can reduce how much water is coming out of that faucet per minute and still effectively wash your hands. But a pot filler on the other hand, you just need the water and you need it fast, right. So you're most likely not going to find a pop filter that has that WaterSense label but you can look for it and things like showerheads, hand washing faucets, sink faucets, that can still get good pressure, but with you can't talk about with using less water. So again, look for that WaterSense label when we're seeing your plumbing fixtures. And the last one on my list today. And this is one again that we could go into so much depth over. But we're just going to scratch the surface today. And that is thinking about sourcing ethically in terms of social responsibility. So asking where items are made? What are the factory conditions, opting for made in the US is always a good option. And, you know, looking at the items that we're making that we're ordering, in that we're specifying where are they being made? What are those factory conditions? Like? Ask your vendors, ask the people ask your manufacturers, the ones who should know and if they don't have a good answer for you, then that's most likely a red flag but we need to be asking these questions.

Why ever by mass produced art again, when there's an endless opportunity to support emerging artists that allow you to find unique and one of a kind pieces of art affordably. Right? So this is contributing to our local social economy to our local economy. Looking for artists that are supporting bipoc LGBTQ artists is another way that you can really have an impact through the social responsibility lens. Just to recap on To go back through these, again, we have specifying eco friendly materials, reducing the use and need for raw materials, sourcing quality, improving indoor air quality, reducing water use and sourcing ethically and with social responsibility in focus, guys, we have more work to do. There's so much more to talk about. And we'll probably address it in a future episode. But, you know, I want to talk about communicating sustainability to clients, how do we effectively convey the value of sustainable design for their home for their health? And quite frankly, for their karma for our carbon? How do we address client concerns and misconceptions? Right? Sometimes we think that we have to give something up to have an environmentally friendly product or material. And that's not always the case. In fact, it's usually not the case. We need to talk about communicating to suppliers and manufacturers, how do we identify and partner with eco friendly suppliers? How do we create demand for sustainable products? Just this week, as an example, I was on the LOI website, nothing wrong with a lawyer I'm not, I'm not saying anything bad about them as a manual as as a vendor, we source from them all the time. They sell. I mentioned earlier that the rug industry is one of the worst industries to use child labor. And there's speaking of certifications, there's a certification called Goodweave, which certifies rugs that they were made socially with social responsibility in mind. So again, more on that in the PDF guide that I'm going to provide for you. So the LOI has many, many, many rugs that have the good weave certification. But currently, that is not a filter option when searching for rug. So if I was specifically looking for a good weave certified rug, if you go to the lawyer's website, you will not see that as a filter. So I'm saying what if we all emailed the lawyer, and I'm going to email the lawyer myself and ask and other rug manufacturers, not just the lawyer because they're not alone in this, and ask them to create a simple filter, so that when you're looking for rugs, you can hone in on which ones are the ones that are good, we've certified, not only does this tell our vendors and manufacturers that this is important to us, and we need this as a tool as interior designers. But it also helps us more easily and more quickly, source, the kinds of products that we can feel good about. So again, a lot, a lot more to do. But I think at the end of the day, there's a real benefit to sustainable style, you feel good about the work that you're doing and your clients will to, you know, think about the kind of energy that you want to bring into a home of yours or your clients. If you thought for a moment that child labor went into the manufacturing of an item that you brought into home, you have to ask yourself, is that something I want in my home, no matter what it looks like, Can an item truly be beautiful? If it holds that kind of energy? I don't think so. And I want you to realize that you don't have to sacrifice your margins or your profit, to embrace sustainability. making these choices is good business. They not only can coexist, but embracing sustainability as a core value in your business can help align you with like minded clients. So that's all I have for you today. Please head over to our website and get your free sustainability guide for interior designers. Again, this is a free printable guide. It has the key principles of sustainable interiors, terms to know eco labels and certifications to look for as well as 10 favorite 10 of my favorite brands that are dedicated to sustainability. So if you want to add these names to your Rolodex, you can do that. That's all I have for today. I will see you next week. Bye for now. Friend, thank you so much for letting me spend a part of this day with you. I'm so passionate about helping designers like you. And I believe in a rising tide that when one of us does well, we all do better. So if you share this attitude of abundance with me, I want you to do just one little thing. Please share this episode with someone using might love it. And if you're feeling extra generous today, go ahead and take just 30 seconds to open your podcast app and leave us a five star rating and review. It's free for you to do and it helps me to be able to keep making more episodes and resources for you. However you choose to help please No I appreciate you so very much. Thank you my Friends have a wonderful rest of your day I'll see you soon